Re: Airborne time frame during WWII over Europe


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Posted By Willis S. Cole, Jr, Sam on February 14, 2008 at 08:48:36:

In Reply to: Re: Airborne time frame during WWII over Europe posted by Willis S. Cole, Jr. Sam on February 13, 2008 at 21:01:46:

: : : : Simple question I thought, hard to get an exact answer.

: : : : Eighth USAAF Mission time on 6 September 1943 places a bomber stream south of Paris at a specific hour. Same day Luftwaffe victory records for fighters south of Paris use the accepted German time-line.

: : : : Are these equal times or does the German's recorded time and the Eighth's recorded time create a time variation? If so, what is the variation required to match the mission and fighter times?

: : : German time is 1 hour ahead of UK time.That means at noon in London, it is 1:00 PM in Frankfurt (also, Paris).

: : : Each conbatant force reckoned and recorded times based on their local times, so the 8th Air Force recorded times in UK time, even when over Germany.

: : : In early September 1943, Daylight Saving Time would have been in effect in England - it is called Summer Time there, which would have made it the same time as German standard time. I don't know if Germany observed Daylight Savings/Summer Time during the war, although I expect they did. If Germany DID NOT observe DST, then the times would be the same. If not, the times would still be different by one hour.

: : : Confused? There's more! During the war (at least in some years) England went on "Double Summer Time", springing forward two hours. That would put it equal to German DST, and one hour AHEAD OF German standard time - 2:00 PM England Double Summer Time would be 1:00 PM German standard time.

: : : I hope that helps...

: : : f3

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: : Fred,

: : Thanks,

: : Loved it, I am exactly where I was before, confused.

: : That last paragraph states it well. I had landed there myself before the first posting and I continue to remain confused as to how to compare the times on 6 September 1943, some 40 miles south of Paris.

: : Now, someone out there must know if 1943 was a 'double daylight saving' year in England and the Eighth USAAF mission time?

: : Sam

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: Fred and Others who helped,

: Thanks, I am only partially confused.

: I have now tied a incorrectly given mission time to the correct mission time. Which now fits the German records for 6 September 1943. Both mission and Luftwaffe times durng the hour between 11:00 and 12:00 now match.

: Which I think, shows the Brits were on a single hour daylight time on that date?

: Again, thanks.

: Sam
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Warning, do not spend hours trying to get such times to compute. At the end of those hours, after you get the times to compute, you forget where you started.

The Mission time and German time varied by one hour. Mision time south of Paris was basically 11:00 hours, the attacking German time was 12:00. However, they fit hand in glove when the events are laid out together, in minutes.

Warning, after figuring it all you, you can wake up a dozen times the following night with times running wild in your head and planes all over the place.

I will let whoever wants to, to figure out exactly what time the English were on compared to the Germans. The German fighter shells crumped into the B-17 at 20 minutes into the hour. Depending on the hour you want to select it happened.

Sam




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